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A country that cannot defend its border is not a country, Viktor Orbán told us. The Hungarian premier said: every nation has its marshal’s baton in its own pocket, and any country that waits for Brussels deserves its fate. “A nation that cannot defend its interests is not a nation, or if it is still here today, it will disappear,” he said.

Viktor Orbán advocated a meaningful division of labor within the EU, according to his assessment that the migrant flood cannot be stopped in Brussels, if we are to conduct a good migration policy. “We do not need a common European asylum policy, and we do not need a common European asylum agency; it will only cause chaos, trouble and suffering,” he said.

According to his assessment, in Brussels, paper-tasting bureaucratic passive proposals are being drafted, appearing in the mask of humane leadership, while hundreds of people drown at sea, and terrorist threats and anti-Semitism are growing in Europe.

As an example, he said that Hungary waited for three months for the European solution during the Balkan migrant flood, and then it closed its borders, changed the necessary laws, built the fence, and stopped the invasion. “I recommend this to everyone,” he said.

Regarding the letter from the Visegrad countries to the Italian Prime Minister, Italy has two options: either they close the shop or accept assistance. He said the Austrians and Germans had had their fill and if they closed the border, the migrants would be stuck there. He referred to Italy as one of the most important cradles of European culture, which is a key factor in the Mediterranean region, and there is a great need for a stable and strong country.

The PM also pointed out that the V4 expressed its willingness to join the German and Italian EPP ministers’ proposals to stop immigration in Libya. In the event that a government of a failed North African country does not ask for help from EU, he said military action must be taken.

Orbán criticized EU for supporting the NGO organizations that cooperate with human smugglers. The Italian press is full of evidence that organizations supported by George Soros work together to create a mixed-breed continent from Europe, he added.

The Prime Minister also reported on the visit of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Budapest, which he described as of historic significance. He said the PM came to discuss how to cooperate with Hungary in the coming decades. “We have also found a key to the door,” he said, for example that Israeli high-tech companies will admit Hungarian engineers, students, developers who want to do advanced work in this industry and thus give access to state-of-the-art Israeli technology.

He described the visit of Netanyahu and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi — also the common point of the Hungarian-Turkish Summit in Ankara — as the defense of Hungarian people and the construction of external defense lines.

These are key countries for the European Union, he said. If the terrorist actions leading to illegal migration cannot be curbed in the Middle East, if Turkey does not stop the migrants, if Egypt’s 100 million population begins to move and if Israel does not have the military force to step up regularly against the militant terrorist groups, then new and greater migration flows will begin to come to Europe.

In his opinion, one might think that a liberal counter-attack emerged from his words, but its significance he would not overestimate. It must be rejected that liberalism in Hungary means that if liberals do not win, there is no longer democracy. “We are the advocates of the illiberal approach, democracy is democracy, it does not have to have an adjective,” he said, calling it ridiculous when the liberal party is defeated, their first reflex is to state: democracy has ceased.

The prime minister also stated in the interview that there is no world-class event that the city of Budapest could not organize. The World Water Sports Championship (by FINA) is proof that this is the case, he evaluated, and explained: although hosting a football World Cup would not be reasonable, anything else that can be created as a community event in the modern world can be put forward with the Hungarian capital as host. “This is a great force, great knowledge and pride,” he said, pointing to his personal commitment to make Hungary a strong country.

Nobody can order a nation with whom they should live within their own homeland; this must be the sovereign decision of each nation. The illusion of mass integration has failed, said Viktor Orbán, explaining: instead of integration, parallel societies have been created with increasing crime rates, deteriorating public safety and danger of terror attacks.

In the arguments about the future of Europe, nobody else but Europe can decide. The Prime Minister stated: By “Europe” he does not mean Brussels or the leaders of Europe, but communities of European citizens, from Athens to Helsinki and Lisbon to Sofia. But Viktor Orbán also noted: This is not what he sees in Europe; in the cradle of democracy, nobody is asking the people. “Nobody except for us, the Fidesz-KDNP [Young Democrats and Christian Democratic Party coalition] government here in Hungary,” he added, recalling that since 2010, the government has asked the opinion of the people five times on the most important common issues.

We must stop Brussels concerning the migrant crisis, stop the stealthy centralization and deprivation of our rights. The people insisted unanimously that decisions impacting the Hungarian economy should be made here, and we should continue to make decisions about our own taxes, energy prices and any other issues, he explained.

Viktor Orbán emphasized: Hungarians do not want to take in illegal migrants, “not a single one, not temporarily, not at all.” Hungarians have reached a complete consensus that we must do everything in our power to protect the country from illegal migrants, he added.

The Prime Minister noted: we have consensus that “we should not let illegal migrants roam around in the country, which would give them a chance to vanish, disappear from our eyes,” but to keep them under supervision until the authorities make a decision in their case.

We have full consensus that any activity helping illegal migration — such as human smuggling and the popularization of illegal immigration — should be punished, he stated.

According to Viktor Orbán, the Hungarian people see right through the deception, and know that a significant portion of organizations funded from abroad secretly organize the illegal migration, and that in “reality, unwillingly or unwittingly, acts as a Trojan horse of terrorism.” This is not only a Hungarian recognition; in Italy this is openly discussed and in the other countries are also finding it harder to hide the fact that human smugglers and civilian organizations that assist immigration are becoming a “shared mafia-network,” he said. He added: it’s understandable if the Hungarians want to know who supports these organizations funded from abroad.

He said the respondents stated almost in unison: Hungarians do not want to hand over the control to Brussels. They do not want to hand over more power, more authority, than is laid down in the original agreements, in the Accession Treaty. Hungary protects the European accomplishments and values; it is a strong and proud European country, which persists in its opinions and interests, he stated. According to him, we want the original founders’ European Union, not “a Kingdom of Brussels”. Where kingdom would be built, there are kingmakers in the background, as he phrased it.

He emphasized: this is a national security issue, and if we are talking about the safety of Hungarians or Hungarian families — the safety of Hungary — today or tomorrow, “then there is no forgiveness from us,” only law and order, force and defense.

Viktor Orbán emphasized: Our task is to keep calm, see the moral correctness of our politics and be confident of our strength. “We are standing alongside the Hungarian people, and Hungarians support the government against Brussels,” he pointed out.

Orbán also mentioned Gaddafi who once warned that if his government should fall, then millions of people would flood Europe from Africa. The Hungarian prime minister said that although Gaddafi was no democratic ruler, Western interventionism in Libya was partly responsible for the current crisis.

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